EN: recommend + V-ing / subjunctive / to-infinitive

Hi ! When will you use "Recommend + V" and "Recommend + ing"? Which form is the most correct? Thanks a lot. 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EN:recommend+V-ing/subjunctive/to-infinitive Threadstarter ptite_flor Startdate Oct5,2007 P ptite_flor Member France Hi! Whenwillyouuse"Recommend+V"and"Recommend+ing"?Whichformisthemostcorrect? Thanksalot   J jierbe31 SeniorMember Midi-Pyrénées FrenchfromFrance Hello, Ibelievebothformsarecorrect. PersonallyIwoulduse: -recommendsomebodytodosomething -recommenddoingsomething Stillwaitforthenatives'input.   Lasteditedbyamoderator:Dec19,2014 A Ansonesque Member Alabama USA/English Bonjour, Jediraisquelesdeuxsontcorrectsgrammaticalement,maislapremièrephrases'entendpeut-êtremieuxcomme,recommendthatsomebodydosomething.: ParExemple: Irecommendthatyouseeadoctor... versus Irecommendyouseeingadoctor... maistouslesdeuxvont,dirais-je... l'onpourraitdireaussi, Iwouldrecommendseeingadoctor...(oùlapersonnequidevraitconsulterlemédecinestbiencompris...) J'espéred'avoiraidéunpeu   Lasteditedbyamoderator:Dec19,2014 C Chouquette SeniorMember francefrench Bonjour, Jelisdeuxphrasesoùsetrouveleverbe'torecommend'avecleverbequisuitsans'to'etl'autrephrase-ing? Ihighlyrecommendyoupreparewellforthistest. Irecommendedgoingawayfortheweekend. Dansquelcasmet-onleverbesans'to'et/ouavec-ing? Jevousremercieparavancedevosexplications. Chouquette.   MaîtreCapello Modetratures Suisseromande French–Switzerland Chouquettesaid: Ihighlyrecommend(that)youpreparewellforthistest. Irecommendedgoingawayfortheweekend. Clicktoexpand... Danslapremièrephrase,l'équivalentfrançaisestjerecommandeque(+subordonnée)alorsquelasecondeestjerecommandede(+inf.)…C'estsansdoutel'ellipseduthatquit'asdéstabilisée…   Lastedited:Dec19,2014 C CristinaMoreno SeniorMember Lebanon Lebanon-Arabic Lapremièrephraseest"Ihighlyrecommendthatyoupreparewellforthistest"maisle"that"estéliminé(çasefaittrèssouvent) Quantàladeuxièmephrase,"torecommend"estsuivipar-ingquandiln'estpasséparéduparticipe(commedanstonexemple),maisilestsuiviparto+infinitifquandilestséparéduparticipeparunpronomparexemple(Herecommendedustostayfar) Attendslaréponsedesnatifspourt'assurerplus!   A AdolfoDeCoene SeniorMember MallorcaSpain Belgium(English,Spanish,French,Dutch) Ilestinterressantdenoterque: Ihighlyrecommendyoupreparewellforthistest.<>Ihighlyrecommendpreparingwellforthistest. Irecommendedgoingawayfortheweekend.<>Irecommendyougoawayfortheweek-end.   A Avignonais SeniorMember USA USA,Anglophone Yes,theyareverysimilar.Onedifferenceisthatrecommend(that)youprepare...ismorespecificandmoredirect.Couldevenbetakenasanorder. Withthegerund,itreallyisarecommendationorsuggestion. Idon'tknow.Thedifferenceissubtle.Wouldliketoseeotheranglophones'opinion.   MaîtreCapello Modetratures Suisseromande French–Switzerland Iagreewithyoubecausewiththegerundyoudon'tspecifythesubject.InfactIrecommendgoingawayfortheweekendcouldalsomeanIrecommendwegoawayfortheweekend,couldn'tit?   Lastedited:Dec19,2014 D dicomec SeniorMember USA IthinkIwouldprefer,Irecommendthat(butmanyomitthe"that". Inthepast,Irecommendedhisgoingaway,orIrecommendedthathegoaway, Butifweweretalkingandbothunderstoodthecontext,i.e.thesubject,Imightsimplysay,Irecommendedgoingaway... Thatis,Charlowasn'tfeelingwell,andwastired,soIrecommended(his)goingawayforafewdays. Personally,Istillprefer"that"or"his"or"her"toclarifyandcompletethepharase.   KellyB Curmodgeratrice USAEnglish Torecommendthatyougoaway:mieuxlorsqu'onparledecettefoisçi.Ilvousfautbienévidemmentuncongé...! Torecommendgoingaway:mieuxlorsqu'onlaconsidèreunebonneidéeengénérale.Sortirleweekendestgéniale.   MaîtreCapello Modetratures Suisseromande French–Switzerland dicomecsaid: Irecommended(his)goingawayforafewdays. Clicktoexpand... Ilearnedthatsyntaxatschool–Imeanrecommendhisgoing…–butImustadmitI'veneveractuallyhearditandseldomreadit.Isitjustmeorisitaphrasewhichisn'treallyusedanymore?Orisitsimplyconsideredformallanguageandhencebarelyusedineverydayspeech?   Lastedited:Dec19,2014 J james_san NewMember NewZealand English "Irecommendhisgoingaway.."doesmakesense,butIwouldneveruseit.Itsoundsveryformal. "Irecommend(that)hegoaway.."soundsalittlebetter. "Iwouldrecommendhewentawayfortheweekend"alsosoundsgood,althoughIcan'texplainwhyIwouldusewent(pasttense?)here.   Lasteditedbyamoderator:Dec19,2014 C Canard SeniorMember Portland,OR English,USA AsageneralruleforspokenAmericanEnglishonthislittleaside,weseemtopreferjustapronouninsteadofapossessiveoneforthesekindsofphrases: Irecommendhimgoingawaytoaprivatehome. Areyouangryabouthimplayingloudmusicallnight? etc   MaîtreCapello Modetratures Suisseromande French–Switzerland You'resayingitisspokenAE.Isitwidespread? Anyway,whataboutrecommendtogoawayvsrecommendgoingaway?   A Avignonais SeniorMember USA USA,Anglophone Yup,thisisacommononegrammarianslovetocorrect.ManyAEspeakerswillsay:Irecommendhimgoingaway.Andtheywillbecorrectedbypuriststosay:IrecommendHISgoingaway. Irecommendjustlearningthecorrectform:HIS. Maître,itisquitecommon.Also,wedon'tuserecommendwithTO+Infinitive.So,recommendtogoawayisnotcorrect   C Canard SeniorMember Portland,OR English,USA Avignonais:Butifyougoaroundsaying"Idon'tlikehisstayingoutsolate",you'llsoundunnaturalandforeignto99%ofAEspeakersIrecommendlearningwhatisnaturalandcorrectineverysituationexceptextremelyformalgatheringsandessays,regardlessofwhatgrammarianssay.   AreyouCrazy SeniorMember VersaillesPARIS EnglandEnglishspeaker youcanuse'irecommendedthathegoaway' verygoodnestcepas??Don'tletanyonesaythesubjunctivedoesn'texist! TheyuseitalotinAmericaandIreland(apparently)   C Canard SeniorMember Portland,OR English,USA Sorrytoderailthethread,butlet'sputitthisway:somethingslikethiswillsoundwrong,notjuststilted,despite(again)whatformalgrammardictates.It'snotalwayspossibletoreconcileprescriptiviststandardswiththeactualspokenword. Asanativespeaker,Idonotrecommendusingapossessivepronouninthesesituations99%ofthetime,unlessyou'redealinginstately/formalaffairsorwritingathesis,inwhichcaseareformulationwouldprobablybebetteranyway. It'ssimilartothe"thanthey/them"thing:grammardictates"I'mbetterthanthey",butnoAmericanaliveisgoingtosaythatonthespurofthemoment,insteadchoosing"I'mbetterthanthem". Whichoneyouchoosedeterminesifyoutalklikeabookoraperson Areyou_crazy:ThesubjunctiveisfallingoutoffavorinAmerica.Thoughsomecontextsstillhaveitwithoutquestion("Irequestthathebethere"),themostcommononesarelosingit("IfIwere"issteadilybecoming"IfIwas")   AreyouCrazy SeniorMember VersaillesPARIS EnglandEnglishspeaker IhavetodisagreeCanard.Dependingonwhereyouareintheworldyouwillhearoneortheother.ItisperhapsmorecommoninEnglandbutIwouldn'tlaughatmyfriendsforusingthatstructureandyoudon'twanttoknowtheoccuationsofsomeofthem!InEnglandatleastthestructurechosenvarieswidelyaccordingtodialectetc..   C Canard SeniorMember Portland,OR English,USA Whichstructurearewetalkingabout?(keepinmindI'maspeakerofAEonly)   AreyouCrazy SeniorMember VersaillesPARIS EnglandEnglishspeaker ithinkitwas'idon'tlikehisstayingoutsolate' thereisnothingatallstrange,inmyopinion,withthatstructure!   C Canard SeniorMember Portland,OR English,USA ItmustbeaBritishEnglishthingthen,sincehereitsoundslikeasternoldladysayingit   A Avignonais SeniorMember USA USA,Anglophone Someofusmightbesternoldladies. InAEIdohearthepossessiveversionalso.Though,youarerightinspeech,thesimplepronounisquitecommon.   A AdolfoDeCoene SeniorMember MallorcaSpain Belgium(English,Spanish,French,Dutch) Woulditmakeanythingclearerifweweretochangetheverbto: Idonotlikehiscooking-painting-thinking... And Idonotlikehim(tobe)cooking-painting-thinking... Ithinkallthesearepossibilitieswithadefinitechangeofmeaning.   E englishman SeniorMember EnglishEngland MaîtreCapellosaid: Ilearnedthatsyntaxatschool–Imeanrecommendhisgoing…–butImustadmitI'veneveractuallyhearditandseldomreadit.Isitjustmeorisitaphrasewhichisn'treallyusedanymore?Orisitsimplyconsideredformallanguageandhencebarelyusedineverydayspeech? Clicktoexpand... It'sperfectlygoodEnglishandusedfairlywidelyinBE.Itrytouseitexclusively(asopposedto"himgoing").   Lasteditedbyamoderator:Dec19,2014 A Avignonais SeniorMember USA USA,Anglophone Englishman,goodcommentsintheotherthread. AsforAdolfoDeCoene'sexamples.Goodillustrationofdifferences.However,Iamlikelytowrite: Idonotlikeforhimtobecooking. ORIdonotlikeforhimtocook. ORIdonotlikethefactthathecooks. ORIdonotlikethathecooks.(DependingonwhatImean).   S Sprecan NewMember Britain,English MaîtreCapellosaid: So,rephrasingmyquestion,whatisthedifference(ifany)betweenadvisehimtogoawayandadvisehisgoingaway? Clicktoexpand... Justtoaddmytuppenceworth,thereisanimportancedifferencebetweenyourtwophraseshere. 'Iadvisedhimtogoaway'meansyouspoketohimandgavehimthisadvicedirectly;whereas'Iadvisedhisgoingaway'couldequallymeanthatyouspoketohiswifeinconfidenceandsuggestedthismightbeagoodideaashe'dbeenlookingabitpeaky...   O omahieu SeniorMember Belgium BelgiumandFrench james_sansaid: "Iwouldrecommendhewentawayfortheweekend"alsosoundsgood,althoughIcan'texplainwhyIwouldusewent(pasttense?)here. Clicktoexpand... Isupposebecause'would'isformallythepreteritof'will'.   C Canard SeniorMember Portland,OR English,USA Iwouldn'tusethepasttenseinthatphrase,itsoundslikeamistaketome. I'drecommendhegoawayfortheweekend.   H Hese SeniorMember German Doyoueversay"Irecommendyoutowashyourcar"? Mygrammarbookstates:theinfinitiveisusedwhensomeoneadvises,allowsofforbidsapersontodosomethinginaparticularcase. Thegerundisusedwhensomeoneadvises,allowsorforbidssomethingingeneral. ButanAmericanfriendofminetoldmenottouse"recommendtodo"andtosayrecommenddoinginstead.Whatdoyouthink?   cropje_jnr SeniorMember Canberra,Australia English-Australia Iwouldsayeither"Irecommendthatyouwashyourcar"or"Irecommendedwashingyourcar". Regardlessofwhethertheinfinitiveiscorrectornot,itsoundsawkward.   Suehil Medemod Tillou,France BritishEnglish 'Recommend'istransitivesoitneedsanounornounclauseasobject. "Iadviseyoutowash"or"Iexpectyoutowash",but "Irecommendthatyouwash".   E EdCalgary NewMember Calgary,AB,Canada English-Canada ItseemsthisthreadhasmissedthepointthataclauseofrecommendationorcommandisoneofthefewplacesinEnglishwherethesubjunctivemodeisretained.Theexampleuses2ndperson,whichisnotagoodexamplebecauseindicativeandsubjunctivearethesame.Onemustuse3rdpersonsingularbecausethatistheonlyverbformthatchangesbetweenindicativeandsubjunctive. Youwouldseethisconstructioninanofficialproposal,perhapsasalistofrecommendationsbeforecitycouncil.The"that"isoptional.Irecommend(that):hespend$100,000;ittakenomorethanayear;shegotoahigherlevelofgovernmentforfunding.Indicativeformswouldbe"spends","takes"and"goes"butthesewouldbeincorrectsincethesubjunctiveisrequired,andwouldsoundwrongtomostEnglishspeakers. Hencetheconstructionyouarelookingfor,andtheonerecommendedearlierinthetrailwithoutexplanation,is: Irecommend(that) youwashhis/hewashhis/theywashhis/wewashhis car. Bytheway,"Irecommendwashingyourcar"soundsfineandiscorrect,howeveritisveryhardtoapplytoanythingotherthan2ndperson,whereitisclearwhoisbeingaddressed.Ifyousay"Irecommendwashinghiscar",thenitisnotclearwhoyouthinkshouldwashthecarbecausethefirstpronouninthesubordinateclauseismissing,i.e.,implied.Ifyouarenotreallyrecommendingactiononsomebody'spart,onlyobservingthatthecarisdirty,itwouldbebettertosay"Thatcarneedstobe/shouldbewashed.   Youmustloginorregistertoreplyhere. Share: Facebook Twitter Reddit WhatsApp Email Share Link French FrenchandEnglishGrammar/Grammairefrançaiseetanglaise Top